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Rebecca Archer
Welcome to The Remarkables – Grant Thornton’s podcast series dedicated to sharing extraordinary stories of individuals who are making significant contributions to their communities.
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Today we’re with Corey Tutt – a Kamilaroi man from Nowra, NSW, Founder and CEO of DeadlyScience. Since it was founded in 2018, Corey and the team at DeadlyScience have been making incredible change. They’ve inspired and worked with over 800 schools and community organisations across all states and territories in Australia. Their mission is to motivate future generations by providing them with resources and connecting learners to people working in the industry.
Welcome Corey! Now to open the episode, I'm going to let you introduce yourself to find out exactly who you are and where you're from.
Corey Tutt
My name's Corey Tutt – proud Kamilaroi man. I was born in a little town called the Shoalhaven down in Yuin country in Nowra To describe what I am, I'm a bit of a risk taker. I started my career off as a zookeeper where I used to feed crocodiles and pick up venomous snakes. I've had an array of jobs. I've been in alpaca sheerer; I've been a researcher; I've been a lab manager. Now, I'm a father and run an organisation that is called DeadlyScience.
Rebecca Archer
What a resume. I guess before we get into the crux of today's episode, we're going to jump into a bit of a rapid fire round. So, I'll ask you three questions at random where you can respond with whatever comes to mind.
So first off, I wonder if you can tell us what's been a pivotal moment in your career?
Corey Tutt
Look, I'm an Aboriginal man and I grew up without my dad who, you know, was gone from when I was a baby. So, it was really hard for me growing up not having my father on the scene as it is for a lot of young men, and I think, you know, as I got through my teens and got into zookeeping, I wasn't prepared for the sort of obstacles that life would throw at you, and I lost a really close friend to suicide, and that was a really pivotal moment in my career because I was looking for something else, and I found a classified in the Illawarra Mercury for an alpaca handler, and the guy that was sharing our packers, his name is James Dixon, and you know, again, as an 18 year old kid that, you know, I used to think I was six foot tall and bulletproof and nothing could really hurt me because I came from, you know, I came from a rough neighborhood and came from a rough family and I think that shearing saved my life as a young person.
I was forced to speak with another man who was very different to me, different upbringing, different race, about my feelings because we would spend 12 hours in a car together traveling to alpaca farms around Australia and New Zealand, and, and to be honest, if I hadn't have had that, I don't know where I would have been because as men, you know, we're conditioned from a young age not to be vulnerable and to not talk about our feelings, and if James hadn't come into my life at that time, I don't know where I would have been because you know, at the start you put on this thick exterior that.
But eventually you have to let some of that pain out, and if you're lucky enough and if the right circumstances in life occur, you can have someone like James that is the right person at the right time, and we still have a very close bond today, some 14 years later, we still are very, very close, but for me that was a really pivotal moment in my career because being an 18 year old guy that's completely lost and you know, he has this unimaginable grief and also, you know, trying to find your way in the world, like no 18 year old has the answers, you know, if they do, they're very, very lucky. So, for me that was the most pivotal moment in my career for sure.
Rebecca Archer
Thank you for sharing that, Corey. That's very candid of you, appreciate it, and sorry for your losses honestly. Look, I guess in keeping with that same theme, if there was one thing in the world that you could change – just one – what would it be?
Corey Tutt
So that's a hard thing because, you know, experience is really valuable. Like, you know, life is full of potholes and full of, you know, obstacles that we have to overcome and I'm no different to anyone else.
You know, we all have our own challenges in life, but if there's one thing I would change is that I want to be the dad that I never had. You know, I want to be the father that is present. I want to be the father that gives my son identity and the ability to talk to me about things, you know, and I think as a young person who grew up without their biological dad and not having that male figure, there's this growing desire and anxiety. How can you be a dad if you didn't have a dad, right? That's a really hard question to overcome.
So, one of the things I want to do is through story and through my actions as a man now, I want to show that, you know, for my child and my children, that you only need two ingredients in life. You need to be a good person first. That's really important, and you need passion and purpose. If you can find passion and purpose, the rest will sort itself out. But the key ingredient is being a good person first and being the person that, you know, you don't have to be the fastest in the running race, you don't have to be the fastest swimmer. You don't have to finish first all the time, but if you're the person that doesn't give up and you're the person that, you know, is pouring the waters for others, you're going to go the furthest, because, you know, in society, we all need to be wanted and valued, and if we can be the people that get joy out of seeing others do well, then that's really important for me. I think that's an important skill to pass on. So that's what I want to be.
Rebecca Archer
Very wise words. Thank you for sharing that as well, Corey, and just to go in a completely different direction with my third question, what is your go to coffee order?
Corey Tutt
Oh, I'm a skinny flat white, but I must confess, right… Rebecca, I've gone from, you know, Nescafé Gold to now getting Barista-made coffee. So, I look back at my former life as a shearer and a zookeeper, and I think those people just shake their heads at me now because I'm a skinny flat white kind of operator.
Rebecca Archer
Thank you for capping off those three questions. Now, let's get into DeadlyScience. It is a not for profit that provides STEM resources to students in remote schools across Australia. What drove you to start the organisation?
Corey Tutt
Well, I had a pretty long career. I mean, I left school at 16, and to get my opportunity in STEM, I had to go to a place called Boyup Brook from Dapto, and Boyup Brook was this small country town in Western Australia and to give people context, I grew up… I went to high school in Dapto.
So, I went from Dapto to this small country town in Western Australia. I went there at 16 years old to get my opportunity to work with animals, and, you know, I got to my careers advisor and I think, you know, in hindsight, I don't hate him for this advice. I think it really drove me, but he sort of said to me, what do you want to do when you finish school? And I said I wanted to be like David Attenborough, you know, like David Atten ‘brah’, like, you know, a bit of a joke, but I wanted to be a zoologist. I really want to be a wildlife documenter. I want to be a zookeeper. I love animals. You know, growing up, I moved around a lot. So, having reptiles and animals were a constant in my life, and that was something I drew comfort in, because when you're moving around a lot as a young person, you try and latch onto things that are consistent.
If you're living in regional remote, the blue tongue lizard on the side of the road is a consistent. It's a constant in your life that you want to learn more about. For me, it was a way to connect with others. You know, you move to a community, pick up a blue tongue lizard, and you tell other kids 10 facts about that blue tongue lizard. Then you quite quickly make friends with them, and, you know, I was pretty pig headed and pretty determined that I wanted to break the cycles of disadvantage in my family, and I was determined at a young age that I was going to get a job, and this career advisor said to me that I should stick to a trade or I’d end up dead or in jail by 21.
Now this is 2008, by the way. It's not that long ago, but you got to understand context. You know, you probably saw a kid with a lot of potential that just wasn't realising it, and he probably thought those harsh words would drive me in it, and ultimately, they did, you know, so I started off my career and I worked at Shoalhaven Zoo down in Nowra, across the road from where I was born. I did the alpaca shearing thing for a few years, and then I went to the RSPCA at Yagoona and I was a dog trainer and then the animal welfare league, and I always had this drive that I wanted more for my life.
You know, I wanted to own a house. I wanted to have all the things that my mother and my family dreamt of, and I wanted to be able to provide that for my family. So I went to Garvin, I became an animal technician and did TAFE and worked really hard and got some qualifications, and then I eventually moved on where I also worked hard and got some qualifications, and it was probably about 2016, it hit me that I'd met very few Aboriginal people or kids from Dapto or kids from, you know, low socioeconomic society.
I remember talking to my wife and I just fell asleep in my car one time because I was just tired. I went to sleep in my car, and that was not a normal thing to do, right? Not where she's from. So, for me, it was a normal thing to do. People just slept in their cars, right? You know, and I've had to deal with this culture shock for a really long time, and then you're working in a lab and you're telling people, they go, what's your background? Because they've got big brown eyes and tanned skin, and I go, I'm Aboriginal, And they get shocked.
Are you sure you're not this? And this? Because, you know, they're shocked that an Aboriginal person is working in the lab, and for me, it always irked me a little bit. I always felt like I was doing this job for a purpose, which is to make people feel better. You know, I was working with laboratory rodents to help researchers find cures for cancer and treatments for Zika virus and SARS, and all these, you know, really nasty diseases and viruses, but for me, I always thought that if I had, as a young person, met someone that was like me, that went through the public school system, maybe they didn't have the best upbringing, they could be what they could see.
We always say, you can't be what you can't see as it's kind of like a throwaway line, but who's actually putting that into practice? So, I went to this other organisation – their career day – I was armed with my iPhone and just my voice really, and I started talking to indigenous kids in Redfern about science and STEM in my career, and it quickly grew, and then I was kind of ostracised by those groups because the kids really found my stuff really popular, and it kind of grew from there, and I hit a point in my life where I was, like, I was going very well in my career. Like, my STEM career was going, you know, gangbusters. My academic career was going gangbusters, but the two were competing.
You know, I was spending my time on a Friday afternoon yarning with these kids in Redfern, and I wouldn't say I was instilling hope, but I was showing them that there's a way, you know, there's a way to do this if you really want to do it, and I'm not there to tell them that I can't. I'm someone that's telling them they can, and they're used to people telling them they can't do things. So, here I am as a person like them, their cultural background, telling them they can, which is a pretty unique thing, but it comes a point where you either keep doing those things or you don't, or you expand on them, and I found a school in central Australia that had 15 books in its entire school, and they had no STEM program. They weren't teaching it. I think STEM literacy is just as important as literacy – especially in this modern world, and I went to Dymocks and dropped a thousand bucks and packed up those books, and I did that about seven or eight times, because that school had a school in Katherine, that school had a school in Purnalulu and the Kimberley, and it went from sending books and resources to… I've got to find a way to fund this, because I've now used all my life savings on sending books to these communities, and I've got not a dollar to my name.
I end up getting a second job at Hanrob Pet Hotels at Duffys Forest, and I used that second job wage to buy books and telescopes and microscopes for community. I started working at the Matilda Centre as a research assistant and essentially take out rent and food – most of my money was going to this thing that I'd started, and I was just sending books to communities and resources, and I kind of published it on Twitter, and then it got some sort of traction because Professor Brian Cox, the particle physicist, saw it and Dr. Carl saw it – these are famous scientists in Australia and around the world, and it got to a point where I burnt out. I was working weekends. I was working after work. I was working a bit too much. It became an obsession to get these kids the things that they deserve. You know, they deserve to have books, they deserve to have access to education.
Then I was using my annual leave to travel to these communities and go to classrooms and talk to kids, and then it kind of… It was always called DeadlyScience, but I kind of drew the logo on a napkin in a pub and then gave it to my cousin to fix, and it became the logo and all the things... This thing had an identity, and it was like, about, you know, if I think about it, to a sporting club, right? A lot of kids like South Sydney Rabbitohs, they like the Knights, they're like Fremantle Dockers or whatever, but they have nothing to support with science or stem. So, I started making these shirts and I started selling these shirts, and if you donated $30 or more to the GoFundMe, you'd get a shirt – a DeadlyScience shirt, but then I'd put a little handwritten note in there. Where are you rocking DeadlyScience? Where are you supporting these kids from? We had people around the world sharing these photos on Twitter of where they were rocking DeadlyScience, and it grew and grew and grew, and then I got an email one day, it's like, you've been nominated for Young Australian of the Year, and I thought it was a joke.
I kind of told my now wife about it and I accepted the nomination. It was a very difficult thing for me because I haven't done this for me. It's not for Corey; it's not the Corey Tutt Foundation. It's DeadlyScience to give her kids an identity in STEM, and equal opportunity and build equity, but the best thing I've ever did was bring my mum along to those awards and allow my mum to celebrate that because I truly think that every single parent, if you're lucky enough to reproduce or you're lucky enough to be a parent at whatever circumstance that's in, you deserve to see your kids do well, regardless of how you've lived your life or what's happened.
So, yeah, that's kind of how DeadlyScience started, and now we go out to schools, we run workshops, we have a warehouse, we have staff, which is really amazing. We turned into a charity, and, you know, the last five years, the greatest impacts have probably been on my wife and my family because I've gone out and spent a lot of time away from home. I live in Port Macquarie these days – on Birpai Country – and, you know, I'm very lucky because I now get to connect with thousands of young people in an array of different ways, but also, I get to bring people in that can connect with them as well, which is really important.
Rebecca Archer
Corey, what are some of the initiatives of DeadlyScience? Are you able to talk us through the programs are about and maybe who delivers those? Who are your ambassadors?
Corey Tutt
A lot of the misconceptions around DeadlyScience are we just provide resources. That's how we started, but actually, we do have a partnership with Lego. We provide Lego to all the community schools. We provide books, telescopes, all that kind of stuff we still do, but actually we've got a program called Deadly Labs, which is about developing kits with community and culturally inclusive kits. So, we've worked with the Garawa Elders up in Robinson River and we've developed a bush soap kit. Not a lot of the listeners will know that soap in remote communities in general is incredibly expensive along with food as well.
So, the idea is to teach kids how to wash their hands ancocd how to make bush soap and prove that it's just as effective as store bought soap. The hope for that is, is that we can hopefully reduce some of the cases of rheumatic heart disease, which is caused by rheumatic heart infection, which is caused by open sores and not washing your hands properly and having access to soap and things like that.
So, Deadly Labs is a really important program. What it does is it puts the STEM back into the kids hands, like puts the education back into the kids hands so they can control it with the Elders and knowledge holders. So, Deadly Science has just created the world's first ever Juvenile Justice STEM kit. So Deadly Labs Justice was a really bold initiative. We actually didn't have any funding for it. We just got together, and we decided that we wanted to help kids incarcerated, and the kids developed a kit, a sports science kit by themselves, which is really great. They called it ‘Kicking it’. They developed the program and now we have a Juvenile Justice STEM kit. It's about sports science. It's about comparing how fast they can run, the accuracy of basketball, footy and comparing it to our Elders and Kathy Freeman and animals, and it's really interactive and it gets the kids out of their cells and gets them out of the incarceration and into the footy fields, and I'm hopeful in time this will help them with their time that they're serving and recidivism as well.
We've done another kit with Torres Strait up in Dauan and we're making a seasonal calendar, and it's really important because that's led by the community and that will become a resource that can be sent out to schools across Australia. So, these kids are now the Coreys of Deadly Science. You know, they are now the, the people that are leading this, you know, charge and this new future in STEM.
We have another program called Deadly Learners. Deadly Learners was born out of COVID I used to kidnap scientists from their desk and force them to talk to kids in Fitzroy Crossing, Yirrkala, you know, Boorowa, Walgett.
Then we have the Deadly STEM in Schools program, which is led by a Dunghutti man Vinnie Scott in New South Wales, and we go out to schools, and we use some of the Deadly Lab kits and we teach them in the classroom and we teach First Nations perspectives in STEM.
We have a 3D printed fish trap simulator so we can show people how Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people built structures to sustainably catch fish. We have the Bush soap kit. We have Geoscience as well. There's a really amazing team that go out all over Australia and they go to schools, and they do these workshops and they do them online as well. So, that's not that sugar hit of, you know, you go to a community. We keep constant connection with the community.
We have another program called the Deadly Resources program where we develop teachers guides for teachers around Australia, and we have a partnership with Australia Post and it's the most downloaded resource that they have. We develop First Nations STEM resources for communities for teachers to support them in the classroom and teaching perspectives.
The other program is our DeadlyScience Pathways program, which is with WEHI and all the kids that come from our communities... So just so you know, we send, visit and support 1,700 schools across Australia through our programs, varying levels of support, but it's 1700 schools and that's over 30,000 students, and we don't get much government funding at all or support. So, we, we rely on a lot of donations and philanthropic support and support from corporates, but the Pathways program is really interesting. It's a STEM camp that's supported by WEHI, and the kids get to learn how an order club works.
You know, I went to a careers day once and they used to have these on every Friday, and they used to hand a drink bottle out every single Friday to the kids going to that program. So, I mean, if that goes for a term, they get 10 drink bottles. No child needs 10 drink bottles. So, we tried to make it really practical and fun and get them learning practical STEM skills that are jobs. Occasionally we do the odd thing like the Formula1 or the odd event, but that's mainly the gist of what we do, and we've got 15 really incredible staff members that help us achieve our goals around Australia.
Rebecca Archer
Well, Corey, we have now arrived at a special part of the episode where we've asked the young people of Grant Thornton for their science questions. Their curiosity and enthusiasm have led to some truly fascinating inquiries. So, let's dive into those.
First off, how can it rain diamonds on other planets?
Corey Tutt
So, I think the phenomenon is actually around Neptune, and Neptune has a lot of methane carbon in its atmosphere. What happens is that methane carbon and hydrogen carbon separate and squeeze into diamonds. Carbon makes diamonds. So, what we're thinking about is that the pressures of those carbons separating actually makes diamonds. So, it's not every planet. It's Neptune and Jupiter. It's mainly those gas planets.
Again, I'm not an astronomer, but that's the gist of why it rains diamonds, but actually we can replicate this in a lab. So, if you guys want to Google ‘how cubic zirconias are made’, it's a similar sort of process.
Rebecca Archer
Fantastic, thank you. Okay, next question. Would Earth become red and dead like Mars if we lost our atmosphere?
Corey Tutt
Again, not an astrophysicist, but, you know, if we lost our atmosphere, it would cause catastrophic changes to Earth that – again, no one can really properly say that this is fact because we simply don't know. It hasn't happened before. So, you know, I think that life would cease to exist, and quite simply, if life ceased to exist and we weren't on another planet, then we wouldn't know. So, I assume yes, potentially.
Rebecca Archer
Where does the sun go to sleep at night?
Corey Tutt
Well, that's a really good question. So, the sun doesn't go to sleep at night. We have hemispheres. So, as the sun goes down in the northern hemisphere, which is Europe and North America, just to give you a geographic context, it comes up in the southern hemisphere, which is Australia, New Zealand, Antarctica. So, because the Earth is a sphere, it doesn't really go to sleep, it just rises in the northern or the southern hemisphere.
Rebecca Archer
Okay, this sounds like one that lots of kids would have a great deal of fun with. Why does Coke explode if you put a Mentos in it?
Corey Tutt
Basically, what it is, is that Mentos is full of sugar. So, sugar is an accelerant. Coke is really interesting. Mentos is a candy, right? It releases this carbon dioxide molecules and they attach to the Coca Cola, which the tiny pores in the surface area and the Mentos speed up and releases all this gas.
So, what you got to think about is you think about a rocket with all this gas in it, and there's nowhere for the gas to go. So, the gas is rising to the top with the Coca Cola, and basically, it's all the molecules in the Mentos are combining with the carbon dioxide in the Coca Cola bottle, and that's why it explodes.
For all the kids out there, use Diet Coke because the high level of fructose – corn syrup – in Diet Coke has a greater chemical reaction to the Mentos than regular Coke.
Rebecca Archer
Okay, next question, why do only some flowers come back every year?
Corey Tutt
That's due to seasonal changes. So, if we take it from an indigenous perspective, we have… Kamilaroi People have 12 seasons in their calendar where Europeans only really have 4, and Europeans have been here for 236 years or 37 years. That means that there's a whole cultural system around flowers.
So, if you take saltwater people, for example, some saltwater groups like Yuin people and Birpai people and Dunghutti people have flowers that bloom during the season. So, if you have like whale season, which is coming up with the humpback whales, the great humpback highway that goes up the east coast of Australia, certain flowers will flower before the whale season, and this is attached to cultural stories. If you look at different changes in temperature and environment, they will cause flowers to expand and bloom as well.
Rebecca Archer
This one I think you will like because you've used the example of lizards earlier. Why can a lizard regrow its tail but not other limbs?
Corey Tutt
So, a lizard cannot actually properly regrow its tail. It can only replicate about 95 per cent of the DNA that it loses. So, if a blue tongue lizard loses its tail, it will always regrow it in a paler, shorter form. So, where the Xenopus, which is an African clawed frog, can regrow 95 per cent of its body perfectly, lizards have not evolved the ability to regrow their tails or limbs. It's only their tail and it's used as the defense mechanism.
So, for example, if a bird or a cat jumps on a lizard or particularly skink, it will drop its tail as a defense mechanism so that the snake or the predator can eat the tail, but it will never regrow its tail to its original form.
Rebecca Archer
Can animals go to space?
Corey Tutt
They have sent space animals to space, but it's not really recommended because when people travel to space and as we've probably seen with the two astronauts that are up in the space station at the moment, it is a very taxing thing to be in space and in the atmosphere. So it's not recommended.
Rebecca Archer
This question comes from someone who is a big fan of the work of Steve and his son Robert Irwin. What makes crocodiles so cranky?
Corey Tutt
So, the thing is, is that they're not necessarily cranky; they're a very emotional creature. So, every man-eating crocodile is essentially a male crocodile, because female crocodiles don't grow to the size where they can take on an adult human, and what it is, is that crocodiles live in a very small piece of territory. If you think about a crocodile, they may only have 50 metres of river and land, that that's their territory.
Even if they're a five-and-a-half-metre crocodile or a five metre crocodile, those huge prehistoric crocodiles have to fight really hard for that territory, and it's really important that, you know, people understand that, yes, crocodiles do eat humans and they're 100 per cent carnivorous and they are dangerous and must be croc-wise, but just because the thing has scales and is a reptile does not mean that crocodiles don't experience emotions or feelings. For example, when I was working at Shoalhaven Zoo, we put a roof on Johnny's enclosure – the big male, salty down there, and he didn't eat for three and a half months and he was stressed, you know, because we changed his environment.
So, to say crocs are cranky. Not necessarily true. Crocs biologically have to defend their territories because they live in very small territories and there's lots and lots of crocodiles, so they constantly fighting for that territory. So, you can imagine you're a teenage kid and your mum's coming into your room or people are coming into your room and you want to protect that room as much as you can. You're not necessarily cranky, you're just trying to protect what's yours.
Rebecca Archer
Great comparison. I love that. All right, what makes your body get pins and needles?
Corey Tutt
These are nerves. So, it's your body sending signals to your brain to let you know that you are, you know, you're losing feeling or things like that. So, it's actually just your body sending signals and it's through the nerves.
Rebecca Archer
Okay, back to sort of reptiles and dinosaurs. Why are dinosaurs like birds? And for a bit of context around this one, this lovely child watched a documentary that said that birds are the closest related things to dinosaurs.
Corey Tutt
Yeah, that's 100 per cent right. Birds actually originally were dinosaurs. So, there’s a close relative in between there. So, when dinosaurs were evolving, they're actually birds and there's a close relationship between birds and reptiles. Again, it’s one of those ones where I can't specifically answer it because I'm not a paleontologist. I don't look at dinosaurs, but they are closer related – yes.
Rebecca Archer
Okay. Why do my basketball and rugby balls go flat when I leave them outside in the garden?
Corey Tutt
Because sun makes oxygen rise to the top and that's why they go flat.
Rebecca Archer
All right, and finally, we're going out with a bang. How does a combustion engine work?
Corey Tutt
A combustion engine works by having an accelerant and an ignition point and the pistons, which control movement or power, they use the energy of the combustion to work. So, if you have, say, diesel, you have – inside the engine – you have an accelerant, which is the diesel, and an ignition point which creates all this energy and that's what makes the motor move forward or back.
Rebecca Archer
Thank you, Corey for all of those wonderful answers to the questions that the children have put to you today. All right, moving on. What is on the horizon next? What's up next for DeadlyScience?
Corey Tutt
We're moving to Townsville where I'm expanding the team and we're growing, which is fantastic. We're doing a lot of really cool stuff and building more teachers resources than Deadly Labs, and getting some more like minded indigenous people into DeadlyScience and growing what we do.
So, we want to get out to more kids and communities. We also want kids to come in and get jobs in STEM. So, there's a lot on the radar for DeadlyScience but we're mainly just expanding what we do so we can grow it.
Rebecca Archer
And to finish off Corey, thank you firstly for your time today. You've been extremely generous. What's one thing that you would like listeners to take away from today's episode?
Corey Tutt
I think that it's really important. No matter what your background or who you are, you can make a really tangible difference in the lives of someone else, and I think that we can all start small. If you have a preferred charity, donate to them. If you want to start your own thing, feel empowered to. We can all create a huge ripple effect, and you never know what one act of kindness could lead to, so just be kind.
Rebecca Archer
Corey, where can people go to find out more about DeadlyScience and maybe follow your journey?
Corey Tutt
You can jump on my Instagram and follow me @CoreyTutt. You can jump on the socials and find all the DeadlyScience pages. We have a website called DeadlyScience and you can jump on, and you can just check us out. It'd be really great. You can buy our books. We write for Australian Geographic. I'm also an author outside of DeadlyScience so you can buy my books, but the best way to engage with me is for adults through LinkedIn, but if you want to follow what I'm up to, Instagram’s my channel.
Rebecca Archer
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